Petition to remove bishops from the House of Lords launched by UK writer, comedian and broadcaster Sandi Toksvig

The move comes as MPs consider bringing the Church of England into line with the law of the land with regard to same-sex marriage.

IN her petition the popular British-Danish personality insists that “whatever goes on inside religious organisations, the Church should not be allowed to hold sway in the Houses of Parliament.

It doesn’t matter what your faith is or even isn’t, it’s discriminatory and it has to stop.

Twenty-six C of E bishops, selected by the church, sit as a matter of right in the House of Lords. No other faiths have this privilege, and nor do the other UK regions, the petition points out.

These bishops can vote on every law that is passed – even laws that the church doesn’t have to abide by because it has legal exemptions from Equality legislation. The only other country in the world where representatives of the state religion automatically get a seat in the legislature is Iran.  

The petition, which has been signed by more than 33,000 people in just two days, was launched shortly after Toksvig met with the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

At that meeting, according to The Guardian, she told him of her distress over the C of E’s stance on gay sex and same-sex marriage.

After the meeting, Toksvig, who lives in London with her wife Debbie Toksvig, a psychotherapist, said:

The state church and the society it purports to represent are not remotely in step. I do not intend to wait upon the church. In the next few weeks, I will be reaching out to the LGBT+ community and all our allies to see what can be done. The present position is untenable.

MPs frustrated at the church’s continued refusal to offer marriage equality to same-sex couples

The Guardian added that the repeal of a century-old act of parliament that allows the Church of England to govern itself is among options being considered by MPs of both main parties.

Chris Bryant, Labour MP, Chair of the Standards and Privileges Committee and former Anglican priest, said the church’s position:

Was causing very real pain and trauma. If the church won’t act, then parliament should give it a push.

Some MPs have asked whether the C of E’s refusal to allow same-sex marriage makes it incompatible with its special status as the state church.

Disestablishment

When they put that last week to Welby, he reportedly replied that he would rather see the C of E disestablished than risk the global church fracturing over the issue.

MPs present at last week’s meeting with Welby were “startled” by his statement that he would prefer disestablishment to fracture, according to one.

But both Welby and his predecessor, Rowan Williams, have previously said that disestablishment would “not be a disaster” and “not the end of the world”.

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Stephen Kettell, above, who teaches politics and religion at Warwick University, was quoted by The Guardian as saying:

The idea of having an official state religion in the 21st century is an absurd anachronism.

He pointed to recent census data showing that less than half the population describe themselves as Christian.

Disestablishment could be revitalising and re-energising for the Church of England. Or it could be the last thing propping up the church. But it’s hard to see it moving forward when you consider the scale of the problems facing the country.

This week, the C of E’s governing body, the General Synod, will consider a recommendation from bishops that clergy be allowed to bless same-sex civil marriages while the church preserves its bar on same-sex weddings.

The proposal is intended to settle 40 years of painful divisions and often bitter arguments over sexuality. But it has infuriated both campaigners for LGBTQ+ equality and conservatives who insist that biblical teaching on marriage must be upheld.

The synod debate is likely to be impassioned, with an attempt by progressives to overturn the same-sex marriage ban and some conservative evangelicals warning they could leave the C of E.

A confrontation is looming

A group of about a dozen MPs met last week to consider options that could put parliament and the C of E in a head-on confrontation.

They discussed moves to repeal the 1919 Church of England Assembly (Powers) Act, which devolved legislative power from parliament to the C of E.

Until 1919, parliament passed legislation governing the C of E’s affairs. Legislation passed by the General Synod still requires parliamentary approval.

Sir Peter Bottomley, the veteran Conservative MP, told the Commons that the 1919 act could be amended, and that “the Church of England needs to wake up”.

Other options include stripping the C of E of its exemption from the Equality Act; removing the quadruple lock on the Same-Sex Marriage Act that states no religious organisation can be compelled to marry same-sex couples; or ​​passing a simple law permitting individual parishes and priests to conduct same-sex marriages.

Chris Loder, another Tory MP, said:

Maybe the synodical arrangements which we have are not fit for purpose, and we should look to reform them.

On Thursday, Bryant asked Penny Mordaunt, leader of the Commons, to “allow time for legislation to push the Church of England into allowing same-sex marriages to be conducted by parishes and clergy who want to do so, if synod does not act.”

Equality campaigners suggested that Mordaunt’s reply—“I know this is an issue that many members of this house will wish to pursue”— left the door open for legislative action.

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9 responses to “Petition to remove bishops from the House of Lords launched by UK writer, comedian and broadcaster Sandi Toksvig”

  1. The House of Lords bishops also get £300 every time they choose to sign in. They don’t have to do anything for the money. Perhaps enjoy a lunch at the tax subsidised canteen.

    That these men, with their strange and dated superstitions are influencing the laws of the land to which we are all subject is an outrage. Regardless of being an atheist, are of a religion other than C.of E. you are still subject to laws on which the bishops have an influence.

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  2. I dream of MY country being godless, MY country with a godless national anthem that I can be proud to sing and MY country without class and pathetic puerile titles and awards: I am not holding my breath!

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    1. How can anyone utter the words without feeling ridiculous.

      “God save gracious king. God save our noble king. Long to rein over us. Happy and glorious.” Just consider the adjectives, especially the last word and consider that they are singing about Charles. Is he really glorious?

      The monarchy underpins the class system. It is supported by people who benefit from that system including the freeloaders around Charles.

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      1. Our national anthem was written at a time when people competed to see how far they could get their tongues up the royal orifice.

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  3. What a useless, gross encumbrance and laughing stock is the royal family, Mrs Elizabeth Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksberg to Mrs Queen Windsor in 1953, giving her daughter the title of princess royal as a birthday present … what an opportunity we missed at the end of the 18th century to rid us of this pestilence.

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  4. BEWARE – Sandi Toksvig’s petition is great, however, change.org is a con organisation that will convert your one-off gift to a monthly subscription without your knowledge.

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  5. I really like Sandi, however, I do not understand why she didn’t organise the petition through https://petition.parliament.uk/ where 100,000 signatures assures that it will be discussed in parliament – does she get a cut from donations at change.org?

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  6. There is an active petition to remove the bishops on the parliament site https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/629100

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    1. I have signed.

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